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If you work in marketing, product, or tech - and want to keep pace with the shifts AI is driving across search, software and strategy - here’s what you need to know from the week just gone.

  • 🧩 OpenAI turns ChatGPT into an app platformTechCrunch reports on the announcement that OpenAI is now allowing third-party apps to run inside ChatGPT via a new Apps SDK, with services like Spotify, Zillow, Canva and Expedia already integrated.

    Although integration of apps isn't new to ChatGPT, this is a huge release and there will be many brands looking to following in the early footsteps of the brands listed above to get in front of 800M WAUs.
    Key takeout: This is big news and it echoes how Facebook opened up to developers in the late 2000s. But unlike then, this move also directly challenges the traditional app store model - one that Apple and Google will be watching closely.

    Many of the brands that I have spoken to are actively looking to build apps to capitalise on 'first move advantage' (as I'm sure everyone is). I also caught up with Simon Thillay of AppTweak to get his thoughts on the threat to Apple and Google.
    I think OpenAI's announcement might be the most significant towards mobile so far, though it's worth noting Google was first in announcing an SDK (namely, the EngageSDK) to power AI features for apps. That being said, OpenAI's demo video certainly looks more impressive - ‘chat with any app’ - than what Google has announced so far around the EngageSDK. We might soon have an interesting race between both companies, with OpenAI benefitting from an OS-agnostic SDK while Google could play on the potential benefits not only for Gemini users but also for both consumers and developers in the Play Store.
    Simon Thillay, Head of ASO at AppTweak

    Simon Thillay

    Head of ASO, AppTweak

  • 📰 UK journalists flooded by automated AI PR contentPress Gazette reports that a PR automation system is spamming UK media outlets with AI-generated press releases at scale -overwhelming reporters’ inboxes and flooding the news cycle with what many now call “AI slop.” For those spending real time crafting thoughtful, human-led outreach, visibility is vanishing fast.
    Key takeout: It’s not entirely new, but the rise of tools like “Olivia Brown” is creating a major headache in UK newsrooms. Automated PR workflows - from idea generation to email distribution - are accelerating the volume problem already facing editors. One veteran journalist I’ve known for many years described the tool as “horrendous” and “truly dreadful,” warning of “huge ramifications - more slop, more distrust and less accountability.”
  • 📊 CMOs scramble: “What’s our Reddit strategy?”Marketing Advice captures the sudden panic in marketing teams as Reddit becomes the new battleground for attention. Sparked by a few misleading “engagement charts” doing the rounds, CMOs are now rethinking how to show up authentically on a platform built around scepticism, in-jokes and community gatekeeping.
    Key takeout: Reddit’s rise over the past five years has been extraordinary. It’s become a goldmine of real conversations - and a data source for everyone from Google to OpenAI - but brand participation there can’t be forced. As the author points out, you can’t bulldoze your way in and expect to capture eyeballs overnight.

    Reddit success demands patience and credibility. It’s a long-term play rooted in genuine community building, not campaign mechanics. I always advise clients to invest in an internal specialist - someone who lives and breathes the topic, speaks the language naturally and contributes to discussions with useful insight first, brand second.
  • This week’s piece is one I’ve really been looking forward to sharing - a brilliant and wide-ranging discussion with Duane Forrester, one of the most experienced voices in search and someone who’s helped shape how the web works from the inside. You can watch the video here!

    We talk about everything from Bing’s early battles with Google to the shift towards generative search and what this all means for marketers trying to stay visible in an answer-first world. Duane has that rare mix of technical depth and human perspective - honest, funny and grounded.

    With my other business, Obsero is now five weeks old, with three clients onboard and data flowing through the platform that is helping to shape marketing strategy. I hope to share some case studies and insights on the product journey soon.

    The pace of change is relentless - AI search continues to evolve weekly - but conversations like this one with Duane make it clear that understanding intent, trust and human context still matter more than ever.

    Thanks for reading and have a great week ahead.

    Andy Francos

    Andy


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    📖 What I’ve been reading this week

    Fresh takes in business, marketing & tech.👇

    ✨ AI
    Introducing apps in ChatGPT and the new Apps SDK
    OpenAI Is Catching Up To Anthropic in AI Coding (Sub required)
    OpenAI and Jony Ive grapple with technical issues on secretive AI device (Sub required)
    Automated PR tool is bombarding UK media with AI-generated content
    Sam Altman on Sora's launch
    VCs pour record $192.7B into AI startups in 2025
    AI Finds its Niche: Writing Corporate Press Releases
    CMOs are frantically asking "What's our Reddit Strategy?!" because of misleading charts
    This Is How the AI Bubble Will Pop
    OpenAI Sneezes and Software Firms Catch a Cold
    Sam Altman says ChatGPT has hit 800M weekly active users
    An Interview with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman About DevDay and the AI Buildout
    When AI agents do the shopping: Insights from 100 conversations with ChatGPT Agent mode
    Sora hit 1M downloads faster than ChatGPT
    OpenAI says GPT-5 is its least biased model yet
    Meta Tells Its Metaverse Workers to Use AI to ‘Go 5X Faster’
    'It's going to be really bad': Fears over AI bubble bursting grow in Silicon Valley
    I’ve seen the future of shopping - and I’m sold on AI (Sub required)
    OpenAI’s dominance is unlike anything Silicon Valley has ever seen
    Perplexity Pauses New Advertising Deals to Reassess Ambitions
    The Browser Company’s Dia is now available on Mac, no invite needed
    Sora hit 1M downloads faster than ChatGPT
    5 Ways to Optimize Content for Perplexity AI
    🔍 Google & Search
    What Our AI Mode User Behaviour Study Reveals about the Future of Search
    AI Mode is now available in more languages and locations around the world
    Google told to loosen control over search by UK competition regulator (Sub required)

    Life inside Bing

    Duane Forrester on the evolution of search

    When Duane Forrester talks about search, it’s not theory - it’s lived experience. As one of the early figures behind Bing’s Webmaster Tools and Schema.org, he’s seen the internet evolve from meta keywords and link farms to neural networks and large language models.

    During his decade at Microsoft, Duane helped shape how search engines interpret intent and context - a foundation that still underpins how AI understands information today. Few people have witnessed the shift from data retrieval to answer generation quite so closely.

    Subscribe to Duane's newsletter "Duane Forrester Decodes".

    AI Search revolution

    The next search revolution is upon us

    At Microsoft, Duane Forrester helped launch Webmaster Tools and played a pivotal role in bringing Schema.org to life - bridging the worlds of technical SEO and structured data long before AI entered the frame. Talking to him feels like opening a living archive of the internet: part historian, part futurist, always a straight talker.

    Our conversation moves between nostalgia and foresight - from Bing’s early battles with Google to the rise of ChatGPT and the next wave of generative search. Duane’s take is realistic: practical where others are panicked, curious where others are cynical. Beneath the humour and hard-won perspective lies one constant - a belief that search has always been about helping people find better answers.

    As he puts it, search has always been a dialogue between humans and machines. We’ve spent decades learning how to make ourselves understood - and now, for the first time, the machines are learning to understand us.

    Where we are headed

    The uncomfortable truth

    Marketers have always been good at renaming things. But whether you call it SEO, GEO or AI Search, the core question remains: how do you make your brand visible when the interface itself is rewriting the rules?

    Forrester’s advice is unglamorous: start with chunking. In AI terms, that means breaking content into small, semantically tight entities - facts, relationships, definitions - that large language models can easily ingest and reuse. The goal isn’t to flood the web with content; it’s to make what you already have machine-readable and answer-ready.

    Then, build your own visibility matrix. Track how your brand appears - or doesn’t - across ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Copilot and Perplexity. Are you cited? Linked? Ignored? The exercise sounds manual, but it’s the first practical way to measure brand presence inside AI-generated responses.


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    Where we are headed

    What marketers need to do now

    • Optimise for comprehension, not clicks. Think less about meta tags, more about meaning. Short sentences, clear entities, structured relationships.
    • 📊 Audit visibility across AI platforms. Create a prompt matrix and track where you appear. This becomes your new “ranking report.” No time? You could always use a platform like Obsero.
    • 🧠 Retrain your teams. Every marketing job description should now include AI fluency - understanding how LLMs retrieve, chunk and reference information.
    • 🤝 Keep humans in the loop. Forrester calls this his “hill to die on.” Strategy, judgement and creative context remain human strengths - the one advantage machines can’t replicate.

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    Final thoughts

    Final thoughts on the AI Search revolution

    We all know search is changing - but the pace right now feels different. Google’s AI Mode is expanding fast, rolling out to over 35 new languages and more than 40 additional countries and territories just this week. Soon, it won’t be an experiment or a side feature; it’ll be the default way billions of people search.

    That means the old playbook - ranking pages, counting clicks, chasing keywords - doesn’t hold in the same way. This isn’t "good SEO.” The mechanics of discovery are being rewritten in real time and what worked before won’t guarantee visibility in a world of AI summaries, citations and conversational results.

    How you can adapt to what is needed

    So what can you do? Start by tightening the fundamentals: make sure your brand’s information is structured, consistent and clear - the kind of data machines can actually understand. And most importantly, know your audience well enough to anticipate the questions they’ll ask next.

    Because the stakes are rising. In just the past two weeks, OpenAI launched Instant Checkout - letting users purchase products (starting with Etsy) directly inside ChatGPT, powered by an open-standard protocol. Meanwhile, it also rolled out a full Apps SDK, enabling third-party tools like Canva, Zillow, Spotify and others to live inside your chat interface.

    For anyone saying "it is just the same", they aren't keeping up with the pace of change and the narrative you have to speak in the board room.

    Previous shifts helps to put things in context

    If you’re in marketing, that shift should feel familiar - it’s what mobile did to the web, but on steroids. The best step now isn’t to chase every new feature, but to make sure your brand’s information is clear, connected and ready to be pulled into these new experiences. Focus on accuracy, structure and usefulness.

    Individually, there’s also a lot you can do better. Learn how these systems surface information. Test them. Track how your brand appears in AI-generated answers. Understand that it is probabilistic. Understand the difference between grounded and ungrounded.

    The new era is already here

    The marketers who adapt fastest won’t just optimise for visibility - they’ll optimise for understanding. Because this next phase of search isn’t about tricking algorithms; it’s about teaching them who you are.

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